A Cummins in a Cat

Steve Frazier

Steve Frazier

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Interesting read. I've been curious about this truck line since it came out, I think the only component Caterpillar actually makes is the transmission. With so many other well established truck manufacturers disappearing over the past 20 years it didn't seem to me that a new entry would make it.
 
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pushbroom

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All they are borrowing is the Cummins SCR system. The engine will still be a CAT / international hybrid. If you look at the engines in them now they are still a CAT block and basic design. Cummins has came up with a decent SCR solution. Paccar has turned to them and all the aftertreatment on a Paccar MX engine is all cummins parts.
 
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Oxbow

Well-known member
I really expect Cat to get back into the truck market as soon as a good emission solution is found. Cat has managed just fine with the tier IV in construction equipment, but the road truck emission standards may be more stringent.
 
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Goodysnap

Well-known member
International has also gone back to Cummins for the ISX15 as an available option.

Paccar has always used Cummins aftertreatment on the MX and also is equipped with the same Holset turbocharger as the ISX15.

My feelings are also that one day CAT will rejoin the party. After dealing with the LEE and SDP engines there are some major changes that would need to be addressed. I don't see in any way that this could happen without going to EGR and SCR which was clearly the reason for the withdrawal. Also whatever they come to the table with it will more than likely require common-rail.

The word on the CAT trucks around here is they are practically having to give them away due to the Maxforce's bad reputation. Rumor? Possibly. Time will tell.
 
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oldnotslow

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The company I contract with received two CAT tractors last year to pull low boys and one CAT dump truck with the automatic. After 6-7 months of frustration with electronics in the tractors, they went back to CAT for good. The dump truck is still running but very under powered. With the 13L engine and an automatic transmission it just doesn't have the cajones for pulling a pup trailer at 105k. It works, but has difficulty in hard pulls like soft ground and construction sites. The Transmission went out at 50k miles and was replaced with a new one. With an 18 speed it would be a better truck. I have considered a CAT truck, because of the price, with an 18 speed manual or ultra shift. But no trucks from Mexico for me. Nothing against Mexico but I'm tired of seeing American jobs go to foreign country's.
 
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mowingman

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A friend of mine, who is an engineer at one of the Cat engine factories, told me Cat is developing some really good engines for on-highway use. However, due to extensive testing, it will probably be a while before they start offering them to truck manufacturers. He said initial testing has been very impressive. Cat does not want to have another disaster with on-highway truck engines like they did around 07-09.
 
Truck Shop

Truck Shop

Well-known member
After the trouble we had with four acert's. There won't be another cat product on the property. The owner said he had enough of cat.

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oldnotslow

Active member
The article in equipmentworld seems to say the trucks are built in Mexico under Navistar but CAT will move assembly to Texas. Interesting.
 
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mowingman

Member
Cat has various plants already up and running in the San Antonio area. More engine, truck, and equipment plants to come, or so Cat says. A RUMOR is also spreading that Cat headquarters will move from Peoria, to somewhere in Texas, in a few years.
 
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